If you buy the 2019 “Thinking Texas Football” prospectus by my pal Paul Wadlington (Scipio Tex) you’ll get a preview of the entire Big 12 that includes some interesting thoughts on West Virginia. Wadlington’s sense is that Dana Holgorsen got out at the right time with his program losing more NFL players than they’d sent to the draft in multiple preceding years combined.
Holgorsen never really fit in with West Virginia’s culture, he’s a man of the city and in particular he’s always loved the city of Houston, whereas West Virginia is a largely rural and blue collar state. Holgorsen’s methods generally involved recruiting athletes from the Baltimore/DC metroplex and Florida, sometimes from Pennsylvania, and then supplementing his offense with P5 transfers that were blue chips that initially chose other schools before looking for a chance elsewhere.
Neal Brown may follow a similar formula but his overall understanding of the culture he’s been dropped into and his appreciation for that culture is higher. He’s from Kentucky after all, which is a pretty similar state.
My Big 12 media day interactions with Brown started off on a topic related to the familiar environment that Brown has found himself in.
Ian Boyd:
Coach, how are things coming along finding players like Zacc Weldon that allowed you to have a smashmouth approach at Troy and how big of a part of the plan is that to introduce that dimension to a spread, sometimes finesse league in the Big 12?
Neal Brown:
First of all, I’m impressed that you came up with Zacc Weldon. I’m really, really impressed with that. Zacc Weldon was a walk-on for us at Troy, because I’m sure you may be the only one in this room who knows who Zacc Weldon is, and I hope his mom is listening. Zacc Weldon was an S-back, what is a fullback in our system, and he walked on for us and ended up playing 40-plus snaps over the last 3 years. So good research. Kudos to you.
Narrator pause: I have depth charts for much of FBS football and some of FCS football that I update year over year. What’s more, Weldon stood out from reviewing Troy’s film when West Virginia hired Troy. They ran a some two-back run game from the Spread-I, even against teams like LSU, and did so with physicality and confidence you don’t often find from a G5 spread team taking on an SEC powerhouse.
The good thing about that is if you look at who we are as West Virginia University, who we are as a football program, who we are as a state, really at the core we’re hard-working, blue collar people that are prideful and that lends itself to finding guys like that, that are unselfish, they’re giving, and so we’re in the hunt for that position. We’ve got a couple of guys that are competing to do that. I do think it’s important and like I said, being a play caller in this league three years I do understand what we’re getting into. This is a league with a ton of dynamic offensive play callers, quarterbacks, playmakers on the offensive side. You will have to score to win games, but I do think it’s important if you look at the teams that have had the most success it’s been the teams that have been able to run the ball, especially when people know you’re going to run the ball. Those are the teams that have won close games.
Narrator pause: Obviously it’s also valuable to have an “S-back” on the field to draw in linebackers so you can throw play-action over the top but Brown is talking about also being able to protect leads, run the ball in short-yardage, and other topics that have been relevant on this blog when discussing the “Raid bro” vs “bash bro” dynamics.
Later I went up to Brown’s podium in the breakout sessions to pick his brain on how the league has evolved since he was last around. I went pretty strong initially to kick things off…
Ian Boyd:
About eight years ago you helped, uh, drive Brent Venables out of the conference…
Neal Brown:
(to some chuckling reporters) oh, nah. I didn’t drive him out. Brent’s done a heck of a job, man. It’s one of those things, man. He was a tremendous coach for a long time before he went to Clemson. He did a great job at Oklahoma and we were fortunate enough to beat them one time but they beat us like a drum the year before and nobody talks about that.
Narrator pause: Neal Brown was the OC at Tech for 2010-2012 under Tommy Tuberville, who replaced Mike Leach. Tuberville wisely determined to maintain the Air Raid offense and hired Brown to direct it, which he did effectively. Many of y’all may remember Seth Doege and Eric Ward and Darrin Moore but forget that they actually didn’t play for Leach because it was all so similar.
Tech beat Oklahoma IN NORMAN 41-38 in 2011, which stained the reputation of a defense that was better than many recall and when added to RG3’s triumph in Waco later that season led to Venables being pushed out.
Ian Boyd:
What are some of the tactical changes you’ve seen around the league…
Neal Brown:
Offensively or defensively?
Ian Boyd:
…as much as you want to talk about I’m interested in.
Neal Brown:
I think offensively, when I left in ’12…someone out there on the open floor they acted like the offenses weren’t good in 10, 11, 12, best I remember the best offenses in the country were still there. (turning to someone else) Bro what do you think? Do you remember that?
Bro:
Yeah!
Neal Brown:
(Chuckling) Yeah, that’s the way I remember it too! Is that in ’10, ’11, ’12 the Big 12 was still the best offensive league. And it still is now. So I think the game evolves, there’s a ton of Air Raid principles. And the Air Raid has kinda grown, I always say this, cause I’ve talked to a couple of NFL people lately cause Kliff is the first NFL guy I guess that’s running the Air Raid now, but’s really more of a coaching tree than it is a system now. It’s kinda like what the West Coast offense was 15-20 years ago, it was more the Bill Walsh coaching tree than it was a system. And I think that’s what the Air Raid has evolved to.
But i think the league…everything is cyclical, and I seem some of the teams in the league going back to more of a run-based approach. Maybe more TE usage than it was the last time I was here. I think the defenses are a lot more creative now. There’s a lot more pressure, there’s more multiple looks, than there was back ’10, ’11, ’12 when I was in the league before. I think the level of coaching in this league, not only the head coaching level but at the assistants and coordinators, especially on the defensive side of the ball, is something to keep an eye on.
Narrator pause: Something happened in that 2010-2014 window to influence things in that direction. I’ll break it down in my upcoming book: “Flyover football: How the Big 12 became the frontier for modern football”
Ian Boyd:
What have you guys made of, just looking at the cut-ups from last year, of the sorta inverted Tampa 2 stuff that Iowa State made popular? I don’t know if there was much of that back in 2011, what do you guys…
Neal Brown:
Well it goes back to um…it really goes back to Rocky Long. (Chuckling) It goes back…football is cyclical man…
Ian Boyd:
Neal Brown:
…I laugh because, we won our bowl game…our winning touchdown was a Wing-T play. Heh, we ran a play that’s a really “sally” play, a Wing-T play they’ve been running since the 60’s. That was our winning touchdown play we beat Buffalo with in our bowl game.
And a lot of the stuff that they’re doing at Iowa State, first of all I think it’s really smart. They’ve done a great job, him and his whole staff, of building that program. And they’re unique, you gotta be different in certain spots and they’re different. What they’re doing, um, on defense, is different. A lot of it looks very similar to what Rocky Long was doing, you know? And one of his disciples was in our league before when I was in the Sun Belt, he was working for Todd Berry at ULM. They’ve done a really good job, they’re being creative with how they get their extra hat in the run game.
Ian Boyd:
Is that something that Koenning and the defensive staff are looking at for West Virginia or do you have your own schemes you guys think will…
Neal Brown:
Ah, well, we’ve…Vic’s evolved, you know, I think that’s one of the things that’s made him successful over a long period of time as a defensive coordinator at his various stops. I think 12+ years as a defensive coordinator at a power 5 level, is that he’s evolved and he’s always changed. We looked a lot different in ’18 than we did in ’16. Results were similar but we looked a lot different. If you ask Vic he was running the inverted Tampa 2 back at Memphis State, if that tells you anything. But, we’ve watched it and no different than…Vic on defense and what our offensive staff does, is you’re constantly looking at people having success and try to steal tidbits from everybody and try to bring them into your system.
It seems a good guess that Brown is well aware of the trends in the league and the back and forth between using a two-back spread run game to throw it deep and new defensive measures to defend the deep field without compromising the run D. I think Brown’s tenure will just be a matter of shaping the roster to execute his vision.
Towards that end, I think he figures the walk-ons from within West Virginia should supply them with plenty of fullbacks to execute the plan. It also seems like he’ll be quicker to build around the hard-nosed kids from the upper south, Appalachia, and Ohio or Pennsylvania than Dana Holgorsen for whom those kids often seemed to be something of an afterthought if still important cog.
Philly Frog
There are an awful lot of raw HS players coming out of the middle of Pennsylvania that get overlooked.
A lot like what you said the other day about Wisconsin.
You don’t see it happen as much in the industrialized football states like Texas.
ianaboyd
Right, Penn State has often had really good players plucked from those ranks. When’s the last time they lacked good DL or LBs?
Or alternatively, the two best OL for the 2019 WVU OL are a pair of former Ohioan 3-stars. Similar dynamic. Although I don’t know how raw all of these guys are. Maybe raw in comparison to a kid from Katy but those regions take their football awfully serious.
Will
Ohio and Western PA yielded a lot of raw NFL talent for the Holgo program over the years. The White Bros. came from western PA, as did Nick Kwitakowski and Mark Glowinski (Worley from east PA). David Long is from Ohio as was Shaq Riddick. Shelton Gibson was less of a development project but also came out of OH. Most of these kids were not heavily recruited, WVU was the only P5 offer for at least a couple. So yeah, lots of talent out there.
He did especially well with linemen out of the OH area, Sills and McKivitiz being the active reps, with Blaine Scott waiting in the wings. Looks like 3 of 5 OL starters on the 2016 team were from OH.
I actually thought Holgo did a good job of getting WVU out of relying on FL for impact players and into adjacent states like PA and OH with more success than Bill Stewart’s program. The FL kids often got home sick and competing in FL for recruits was getting harder every year and the OH/PA/WV kids tended to be the more physical kids on the team.
Brown appears to have eyes elsewhere for recruiting so far, no commits from OH or PA yet.
ianaboyd
Good on Holgorsen for figuring that out.
The overlooking of the Midwest and rust belt in particular has been an extraordinary theme across the country this decade. Ryan Day is on record now saying Ohio State needs to stay home a little more.
It’s about resource allocation. There’s big rewards for focusing on Florida or wherever because there’s so much talent there, whereas that’s not quite true to the same extent in Western PA or OH, unless you’re one of the last dogs to the bowl in Atlanta or Tampa, in which case maybe the math changes and you should be digging around the old rust belt towns.
Then there’s the cultural angle, of course. Those rust belt locales produce hard nosed kids.
As far as Neal Brown’s recruiting strategy. I notice some JUCOs and southerners in the mix that I imagine were kids he’d already evaluated and built relationships with from Troy. 2021 is probably the year to watch for getting into PA and OH. The Mountaineers currently only have 1 recruit in the 2021 class but he’s from a burgeoning new recruiting turf that TCU has also been looking to make inroads into.
System Poster
I was looking back at some of WVU’s past recruiting hauls and was surprised by the almost total absence of Florida kids in recent classes, but I guess it makes sense.
Will
There was one kid, Mike Harley, who is now at Miami, that basically turned Holgo off the whole state. He pivoted to GA, which I think has worked out well on the recruiting trail but has yet to show much on the field. We will probably find out this year if it was a successful pivot.
Al
Outside of Leach, does any Air Raid coach run much of the original offense? Seems like coaches like Riley, Holgersen, Brown, etc. all run various sprrad offenses now and a small portion of their offenses is original Air Raid. I can barely tell who runs a Air Raid now. Please correct me if I’m wrong in any of this.
Lastly, have you written on how the Air Raid has evolved over the years?
ianaboyd
That’s a good question. Seems like most of them use the spread-I more, except Kliff Kingsbury, the blessed.
They all use the Air Raid structure and install method but the tactics are more varied.
I’ve got this book coming out soon that will touch on how the spread O in the B12 in general has evolved and why.
Will
Very interesting read Ian. I agree, Brown comes off as really smart. Holgo was really smart too, but he tried to hide it with coach speak and then got testy dealing with folks he didn’t think were only his level. Brown is more comfortable showing off his brain and way more comfortable communicating with seemingly everyone. The inroads he’s made in WV so far show a guy who knows how to read people and think strategically.
But you and he both seem to get just how high the coaching bar is in the Big 12. You’ve got two HOFers are their peak (Patterson and Gundy), two guys with HOF starts (Reilly and Herman) and two guys with Nattys. The least impressive resumes are guys with 10 win seasons at G5 programs without a history of success. I think Brown’s a heck of a coach, but it’s going to be hard to break through against this group.
That said, I still like what he brings to the table more than any of the other new coaches. For three reasons: 1) He reminds me of Holgo in that he is going to take whatever he has on offense and figure out ways to make it work; 2) He doesn’t remind me of Holgo in that he appears engaged on what’s happening on defense and isn’t going to let a DC who has lot his touch identifying CBs derail the whole freaking program; 3) those P5 scalps (Clemson in 2016 (screw that call at the goalline); LSU in 2017; Nebraska in 2018) are unparalleled for a G5 Sunbelt program to pull in over a 3 year period.
ianaboyd
I think the fact that Neal Brown gets A) West Virginia and B) the Big 12 make him a great fit. If you know thyself and the enemy that’s a pretty important start.
Will
Totally agree on the reasoning behind Brown’s current approach and I’m pretty confident he’ll get things going in the neighboring states.
TCU is also working Europe huh? More power to em, I’m sleptical these guys are going to be happy in WV but hopeful they stick. It certainly shows Brown is willing to get creative.
Philly Frog
You gotta figure the German O-linemen can pick up a blitz.
Will
Oh, wow. Well done sir!
System Poster
Who knows about those European kids. Tech basketball has been recruiting heavily in Europe and has had kids from Italy and France stick with the program. It seems crazy to me, but Davide Moretti coming from one of the most beautiful regions in the world and a truly history city is coming back for his third year in Lubbock.
ianaboyd
Only thing is that the euros have been perfecting basketball skill development for a long time now. They may come to do so with football in a way that matches or surpasses even the Texas HS ranks but are they there yet? I dunno.
Still, there’s over 700 million people over there so some are bound to be useful.
Will
Broadly, I’m thinking soccer and basketball probably help develop the quickness and hips needed at defensive back. And the Nordic kids could replicate what you see in Wisconsin.
If they stick, great. And hey, I often compare rural Luxembourg to WV so maybe they won’t be scared off.
System Poster
After reading this and some other things about Neal Brown, I’m kind of getting some buyer’s remorse with Matt Wells. I think he’ll be fine as well, but Brown seems like a home run hire. His offensive S&P+ numbers at really all of his stops were somewhat worrisome but now I’m thinking that probably doesn’t matter.
ianaboyd
Maybe you’ll cheer up if I do a write up with my Matt Wells notes.