Over at Inside Texas I was describing the great riches of experience and talent in the Longhorn secondary returning next season ($) and included some research I did on B12 secondaries over the last five years.
What I found was that the defenses that have ranked in the top 40 per S&P+ in the Big 12 over the last five years all had veteran DBs in the secondary. The defensive units that pulled off that feat include:
2017
TCU (16th)
Texas (21st)
Iowa St (32nd)
2016
West Virginia (37th)
2015
Oklahoma (22nd)
West Virginia (30th)
2014
Texas (8th)
TCU (15th)
Oklahoma (33rd)
2013
Oklahoma State (11th)
TCU (13th)
Baylor (21st)
Oklahoma (33rd)
For fans of each team you’ll recognize that the units that were good were the ones that had pretty experienced and solid play in the secondary. I think a big factor in Oklahoma being spectacularly bad on defense in 2017 was that in the Mike Stoops era they’ve tended to be built heavily on the play of a single lockdown corner and Jordan Thomas proved incapable of checking the top WRs in the Big 12 by his lonesome and then was injured.
TCU’s defenses in particular have really struggled when they didn’t have multiple veterans in the backfield who’d spend a few years soaking up Gary Patterson’s vast knowledge of Big 12 offense and how to stop it.
The cutoff generally seems to be 3rd-year players. Talent factors in pretty heavily but 1st and 2nd-year players of any talent level generally struggle a lot playing DB in the Big 12 but if you have lots of 3rd-year players that understand the college game you’re a lot better off even if your talent level isn’t great, beyond that you generally do need at least one stud to build around.
It’s been really common in B12 history for a defense without a lot of known stars to jump out and surprise people if they’ve been loaded with RS seniors at multiple spots in the secondary. Here’s a glimpse into the experience levels of the 2018 secondaries (from what I can tell of my notes and spring practice reports):
Now, some of this is certainly wrong because spring ball isn’t even over for a lot of these teams and I’m guessing at the depth charts. Still, it paints at least a decent picture of the XP level for various B12 teams. Here are the obvious takeaways:
-Despite losing Holton Hill (CB) and DeShon Elliott (S) to the NFL, along with Jason Hall (D), Texas is loaded with veterans in the secondary that have played a lot of football. Amongst those veterans are former blue-chippers Kris Boyd (CB), Brandon Jones (FS), Davante Davis (CB), and John Bonney (D).
-Oklahoma is in a tough spot trying to rebound on defense given the shape of their secondary. Brendan Radley-Hiles, whom I will be referring to as “Boo Radley,” is turning heads and spring and likely to own the nickel position. That’s great for OU and by all accounts he’s well beyond his years as a player, but he’s still a freshman in a super complicated position. My guess is that he’ll give and take with the playmaking generally overriding the mistakes. They’re also looking at playing a young pair of corners (albeit somewhat experienced) with Tre Norwood and Parnell Motley and at safety they’re hoping Kahlil Haughton plays like a vet and that Robert Barnes or Chanse Sylvie is good next to him. What you don’t see in the OU secondary is the guarantee of a lockdown corner they can build around like they did so well with Aaron Colvin or well at times and poorly at others with Jordan Thomas.
-Iowa State is probably fine despite losing all three starting safeties from a year ago. Their back-ups played well in the bowl game and are older players and likely starting FS Greg Eisworth, while a JUCO transfer, is a dude that is in his third college program. Their CB play is good and Eisworth projects as a worthy clean-up hitter in their robber schemes.
-TCU is in a somewhat precarious position after losing Ranthony Texada and Nick Orr from the starting lineup. For this projection I put Innis Gaines at nickel (SS in their parlance) and Ridwan Issahaku at FS (WS for them) but it’s hard to know how things will shake out. They like a lot of their talented young guys like Gaines and Lakendrick Van Zandt and I liked those guys out of high school as well but again, the best TCU Ds are the ones with lots of guys that have sponged up Patterson’s knowledge. There’s also the question of whether they have any studs at corner they trust on an island, or at safety to cover up the deep field.
-I like what OSU is doing scheme wise and am intrigued to see Kenneth Edison-Macgruder at boundary safety and Thabo Mwaniki at field safety (or nickel, it’s not clear to me which spot he’s practicing at) but overall they’re pretty young AND in year one of a new scheme.
-If West Virginia finds a good CB on their roster (perhaps JUCO Keith Washington) they look like they could make a comeback. They’re really young at field safety but talented (Kenny Robinson) and then have 5th-year players Dravon Askew-Henry and Toyous Avery to hold down the other two safety spots.
-Kansas State is one of the more curious and intriguing teams on here. CB Duke Shelley is a good one, I’m guessing RS sophomore A.J. Parker probably holds down the other CB position but they need to find a nickel. Senior Eli Walker is a big hitter and great athlete who they played as much as they could last year but he’s not really picking things up that fast, ideally he’d play nickel. Safeties Kendall Adams (BS) and Denzel Goolsby (FS) are both really solid and have played a lot of football in this defense. They may simplify things by moving Goolsby to nickel so Eli Walker can play the field safety position, I dunno. If they have to play Parker at nickel then that probably leaves Johnny Durham at starting corner opposite Shelley…it’d be fun to see if anyone wrote a “so…K-State has a white dude playing CB” article or whether announcers could resist commenting on it.
Everyone needs to braced for the narrative that this is Texas’ year to finally be “back.” We all know it’s coming and we all know that eventually Texas will indeed be back. I’ve picked the Longhorns pretty far down the list over the last several years, especially in comparison to other Texas writers, but this is looking like the year where they finally break through if only because the Big 12 is so wide open.
Cameron
Isn’t this just a Big12 specific observation of Bill Connelly’s stuff on returning defensive production? In case you are unaware, the five most important numbers in returning defensive production are, in order:
1) Overall passes defensed
2) Overall tackles
3) Defensive back passes defensed
4) Defensive back tackles
5) Defensive back tackles for loss
So Texas Tech’s defense might not be good per se in 2018, but it should improve. Same with Kansas. But by the same token though, teams like Oklahoma and Kansas State are likely to regress. Just an FYI.
ianaboyd
I wasn’t familiar with his specific formula but I think having multiple program guys (3rd-year or better but have been back-ups or benched) can be just as good as having returning production.
Those numbers really just sum up whether or not you have much playing experience on the field, I’m actually offering a slightly different take on it.
OU probably won’t regress, lol, they were so bad last year…they might though. K-State’s secondary actually fares well in the Connelly formula because they return both starting safeties and a starting cornerback. Additionally, the three main back-ups coming along (Walker, Parker, Durham) all played a lot in 2017 and probably register by the Connelly formula.
The worry for K-State would be up front where they lose Kirby, Tanking, and Geary. Before last year everyone was saying that K-State would be in trouble because they were replacing Elijah Lee and Mike Moore but Tanking and Kirby were more than ready to step in. I think overall the LB play from 2016 to 2017 for K-State was probably about equal. Next year they have Elijah Sullivan back at LB who had 28 tackles in back-up/spot duty and showed me a lot, and then Sam Sizelove who’s a senior that has played some in each of the last three seasons. LB will be fine again, I think.
Replacing Geary at DT is another matter, not sure how that’ll go. Agree that Tech and Kansas should improve.
Cameron
Having guys in your program as backups for a while is probably a very positive indicator. But I figured I’d share that returning “live fire” experience is pretty important as well.
OU loses most of its best players on a bad defense. I think that’s ominous.
Maybe KSU will be fine. But I suspect it’s going to be tough sledding for the Wildcat defense early on while they are breaking a lot of new parts in.
ianaboyd
There’s definitely a good chance that OU is terrible on D next year. I think K-State is probably fine, they open with South Dakota and Mississippi State and then UTSA. Then the B12 hits them early with a road trip to Morgantown and then the Longhorns at home. They need to figure stuff out quickly but they usually schedule a buffer early on.
That Mississippi State game should be telling.
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[…] I like what OSU is doing scheme-wise and am intrigued to see Kenneth Edison-Macgruder at boundary safety and Thabo Mwaniki at field safety (or nickel, it’s not clear to me which spot he’s practicing at) but overall they’re pretty young AND in year one of a new scheme. [Concerning Sports] […]
Will
Hi Ian,
Quick update on WVU. They just added Denzel Fisher from UCLA. He had a fairly non-descript career out west but is a 5th year guy with good size (reportedly 6’1).
Hakeem Bailey came out of spring workouts as the guy at CB. Washington and Fisher and Derek Pitts (True So., was at safety last year) will be competing for the other spot. It seems to be the spot on defense that the staff seems most worried about right now.
ianaboyd
How is Bailey looking? Like “he’s definitely a starter” or “the next Rasul Douglass.”
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Will
The easy answer is somewhere in between, but probably closer to “definitely a starter” than “Rasul.”
I think a reasonable upside is Daryl Worley’s final season, but even that seems like a tall order. That would be a lot of disruptive play balanced out with some big whiffs, particularly against the top receivers in the league (Corey Coleman destroyed Worley that year, for example).
Douglas was the best corner WVU has had in a long time, I think it will be a while before they get another kid with that kind of ceiling (although they’ve been quietly positive about a couple sizeable RshFR who played well this spring). Maybe that will change though, the program is about to have its 5th DB drafted (White) in the last three years. That might translate into an uptick in DB recruiting eventually.